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[snake doc]

add to the "no" column....

rocket launchers, LAWS, etc

[Sparrow 69]

There's actually a pol listed for flamers, it ends the middle of march, you should go vote.  However rockets, LAWS, and grenade launchers are in, because well, tactical squads use them, its that simple.  They used to use flamers too, but they pose more risk then actuall advantage, so thats why there's a poll.  Remember, Tactical squads use what they have, and a lot of times they employ lots of gadgets and technology.  Theres an entire show dedicated to tactical squads and militaries getting the edge over the compitition, its called futureweapons, snd guess what they feature... new gadgets people have created to be used in tactical situations! 

[snake doc]

So instead of effort and accomplishing the mission for points...teams with the biggest financial backers will win because they will be able to buy Night Vision Goggles, Radio Jammers, Tanks, etc. right?

The difference between what this league should be and COULD be is going to hinge on what is allowed and what the format is. If we polled the NFL and asked fans if late hits should be allowed 80% might say "yes" but that would ruin the integrity of the game...same concept here.

Don't get me wrong, I love to see the toys that people bring and come up with....that is why I play Scenario. Everyone else should do the same.

Reason #124 why ESPN broadcasts Speedball events and you have to watch Woodsball on OLN at 2 a.m. is that despite the ramping, wiping, and everything else that happens.....the basic rules are easy to understand and people like the idea that you can shoot someone and they get up again and the next game starts. It is like playing cowboys and Indians and you can tell who gets hit, but no one gets hurt. In Woodsball it can be about as organized looking as the Puppybowl on Animal Planet. It isn't fun to watch, because you can't follow the pace of the game.

[Sparrow 69]

ok, obviously you have never watched Armchair commandos.  Easy to follow, woodsball, everything you just said, its the opposite of.  Easy to follow rules, easy to understand format, and a lot like scenario play.
Same thing here, and please don't think we have a lot of backers, because we're a flat broke team.  We used to play speedball, and still do for fun, but we CHOSE to not renew our sposorships and do Scenario games all year, and guess what, we got a few NEW Sponsors.  They are out there, go get them.  As far as gadgets, we still havn't quit our dayjobs, so we spend every extra penny after bills on our hobbies... mine are my family, Motorcycles, and Paintball. Should I be penalized just because I'm smart and creative and I know a lot about science? I don't think so.
All I'm saying is it WILL be easy to follow, Its in an urdan setting and I'm sure there are cameras everywhere.  It won't be hard to tell teams apart, it won't be vague in the rules, it will have set guidlines, and everything you feel will destroy its integrity will only serve to boost its level of competativeness.
Stop being so pessamistic and have a little faith that the leagues creators will have all of this figures out by the time gameday gets here in NOVEMBER.  April is a trial run people.  Its the trial that will judge what is and isn't allowed.  If you don't cover absolutely every contingent and show up at the game in april, then how willyou have a definative rule on what will and will not offset the balance of the game? you can't.  the only way anyone can know is to try.  wmaybe after A flamer is used, I'll agree with you snake, and mayby you'll agree with me, but if no flamers show up, how will anyone ever know the impact a flamer can have on this league?
Your best bet is to actually help in the elimination process once it begins, after april, not before hand.  How can you outright eliminate something before the boundries of said elimination have been tested.

[snake doc]

I'm really not a pessimist...a cynic?..yes!...a realist?...Definitely!
My opinion (contructive as it is) is based on having played and my own sports marketing as a coach for another sport. I don't pretend that everyone should have my opinion or share my views, but I keep pointing out that as a casual observer the mission from the beginning of the post to right now is vague and mirky. I get being able to do some things by trial and error, but I'm holding the firm position that some of what I complain about has no logical place here. I've re-evaluated some things and taken a few things off the list of "Absolutely NOT!" but some stuff will stay. I live in IL and I've been a strong advocate of getting this kicked off in '08 out here, but I'm trying to give some early warnings because realistically you get one shot to launch this off, and some of this is just gimicky and campy. Adding something as "an element of excitement" doesn't necessarily equate to putting it in for "realism" sake.

Never seen "Armchair Commandos" what station, time, etc is it on?

[Sparrow 69]

it'll be airing on ESPN and G4... hers a link to the preview page

http://www.armchaircommandos.com/video.php?landing=video

Check it out.  Believe me I understand your point, I truly do.  I just don't see where we have to bend and allow leeway for the speedball market when they don't for us.  The majority of the paintball players in the world are woodsball players, and we only really have one big league, the SPPL.  I say its about time we had another, and the TTPL fits the bill.  Personally, I sand so firm in my beliefs in the uniform debate, that if the issue is caved, I probably will back out of the 2008 event, which will suck since we're going to win the 2007 title! 
Currently, I'm onpening a field in Delaware, and its main focus is Tactical Play and the TTPL.  I can guarantee you it will be more successful then any of the speedball fields in the area, and I won't try to convincve anyone that one is better then the other.  I think they are the yin to each others yang.  One is no better or worse then the other, but they each have their place.  TTPL is no place for speedball or their jerseys, and that is that last time I want to have to say it.

[snake doc]

I can see where you are coming from on the BDU thing. I don't want to see a neon grean jersey in this thing either. I was looking for flexibility and hopefully they don't get anarchy.

[snake doc]

Just watched the trailer for the Armchair commandos....it was entertaining and absolutely hilarious! Thanks!

[Sparrow 69]

glad you enjoyed it! See, those were two tactical squads, and they were identically dressed, save for the emblem on the helmet, and yet the game was easy to follow.  good to see we can finally put this to rest.  No speedball jerseys.

[snake doc]

I never wanted a speedball jersey...I DID ask that camo jerseys be allowed. If you see the UV jersey...that is on you! 

[Sparrow 69]

so, um what have we been debating?  Camo Jerseys were always allowed...

[snake doc]

You nixed the Empire Invert Camo jersey (which the Tippinators wore at an event) and I cried "FOUL!" and pointed out that Hitman said "sure" as long as it was a camo jersey....after that you and I just kept going back and forth and realized that we were arguing for the same thing.

Agreeing is nice sometimes.

[Sparrow 69]

i didn't think we were arguing, merely debating for debatings sake.   as for the invert issue, i was merely making sure you weren't referring to the  red/yellow/blue/green ones, and getting people to stop asking about wheither camo jersyes were allowed when the answer was posted already, yes!

Agreeing is wonderful most of the time.... unless its a suicide pact.....

[snake doc]

I think you have strong views and I'm sure you aren't just debating with me for the sake of debating. This is two strong opinions by two stubborn vets.

Gotta admit, this thread was convulated that I wasn't clear on an answer until I started talking

[Sparrow 69]

i think it was very clear.  its was stated three times before you started talking, that camo jerseys were fine....  how is that not clear and conscice?  The only thing cluttiring up the issue is the countless number of incessent saying speedball jerseys should be allowed, while a few others stuck to the faxct that only camo jerseys and Tactical uniforms would be allowed.