Reffing

[quickkill]

I noticed in the "list your team" thread, that Undertakers have their team info up. Are you guys producing and playing? Who's reffing? Also, if there are going to be special challanges or surprises, wouldn't it give you guys an unfair advantage?

[Chief Rut]

This is one for Hitman. But for my .02 I WANT to PLAY so we will have to work something out.

[HitMan.]

As for REf's, yes there will be Ref's from many different teams out there. As for us playing. Yes my guys and i want to play. As for suprises, there won't be any, because every member and player of all teams will know the Objectives and no hiden doors....

If it comes down to it and teams don't want us to play, then thats fine too. We will add ourselves in as a 3rd party and won't count.

[koolaidman]

A way that we could do reffing would be to have the teams agree on the ref's for the game. I honestly dont believe that if someone was a ref, they would be bias to a team. So what you could do is have the team's meet with ref's before each game and if they want to switch then they can or keep the ref's as they are. But like I said, i don't think that ref's would be bias to a team but this would allow teams to pick who is out there with them reffing them. And if the team's cant agree then a head ref or judge could step in and make a final decision. This is just how I see a possible solution to the problem.

-Greg

[Capt.Maxn]

? how about indepenent REFF'S. People who only reff.

[Byonic]

That sounds real good capt.

[TheJoker]

Get some members of teams that aren't in that particular match who are qualified referee's and have them ref.  They'll be impartial since they aren't apart of either team playing.  They'd probably do it cheapely or even free of charge.  Or maybe a discount for paint or some such thing.  Just a thought.

The Joker

[mok]

right joker...the way it is normally done, if this will be a series...that a team that refs an event gets a max score for the event.....

example:

game one
team A plays, team B refs, team C plays...
outcome A gets 75 points, B gets 100 points, C gets 25 points

game two
team A refs, team B plays, team C plays...
ouotcome A gets 100 points, B gets 60 point, C gets 40 points

game three
team A plays, team B plays, team C refs...
outcome A gets 80 points, B gets 20 points, C gets 100 points

series outcome....A totals 255, B totals 180, C totals 165

everyone plays everyone refs...this could be done by match or event...
the point system incourages teams to want to ref and play the entire series....

if this is not a series, but just independent matches then round robin the teams into the reffing position....

this way you don't have to pay for refs.

[ghostman]

If this is a for real tournament, not just a fun game, than I would rather teams not ref and leave the ref'ing to pro or semi-pro refs.  It is not so much the concern for biases among teams, although there could potentially be some, but rather to eliminate any potential miscommunications, misunderstandings, disputes on judgment calls, or overall poor sportsmen’s like behavior.

[mok]

well besides the NPPL and the PSP, all real tournaments do it that way. only in the pro events do they hire pro refs....and as a "pro" ref of scenarios....we charge $150 to $250 per event per ref....other smaller tournaments pay refs $100 per day per ref.....as for state series, they have teams that are in the series, take a tunr and get a max for their effort....

so, if you go with paying for refs, that will actually do a good job and not just stand on the side line and call someone out from 50 feet away, then the entry fee is going to have to go up to pay for those refs....

but, if you think that a team would try to make calls to make another team win.....i guess you could also say the same about paid refs....if a team reffing was to do that it would be obvious, and that would lead to disqualification on both teams.....

oh well, can't please everyone, i was just trying to suggest a way to keep it simple and cheap....and not assuming that members in this format would cheat, or  "potential miscommunications, misunderstandings, disputes on judgment calls, or overall poor sportsmen’s like behavior." or anything else

[ghostman]

That real funny...assuming no one would cheat.  Why do you think this would be anything different than NPPL or PSP? 

Why even take the risk of having a team feel slighted from a victory because another team wanted to ensure another won?  Assuming that you are a pro ref as your post implies, you above anyone else would understand the benefits of having professional reffing.  Even with ten refs, you're not talking about a lot of money.

[mok]

i see....

well, i have played alot of tournaments, and besides the Pro level ones, they all use teams attending the series, unless it's a one time event that is "hosted" by a home team....

i was merely suggesting, that the tactical guys play with more of the "honor rule" since they wear all those packs all over them...i was suggesting that they check themselves more often because they can't feel alot of their hits. also i thought this format was to be different from the others, and one of the things in the other formats, is that cheating has become part of it almost....some even expect it....so, i guess i am totally wrong about that assumption, and with that being said, i see your point....

and, the job of a ref is to maintain the flow of the game, insure safety, and to make calls on unobvious hits....it is assumed that nobody is going to go out there with the intention of cheating. i know that, players cheat, some people just have no skill and can only compensate by breaking the rules, this is basic human nature. But i don't assume everyone is going to cheat.

also, i am, please contact mother@mxsportz.com  or trips@mxsportz.com he's their ultimate judge or pacman@mxsportz.com , Or Viper@viperscenarios.com , Or GoldDog@Tacticalpaintball.com or if you are in the north east contact Blue  EMR@emrpaintball.com or ActionBob@emrpaintball.com  and ask them about "the Dream Team Reffing Crew", thats what kahuna@scenarioball.com labelled us.

but regardless, whatever HitMan007 does about the reffing situation, i am sure that this will still be a great format, and i am looking foward to it.

[CptObvious]

Never fear, me and a few of my guys will be reffing some of these events. I have a few years reffing expierence, which includes Xball (minor tournies, not the big show stuff), and am currently employed at Skirmish USA. I also will most likely be reffing in the upcoming NorthEast SPPL Qualifier. A few of my team mates have experience with reffing as well. We are not participating in the TAC TEN league, as we will be devouting our time to helping out Herc.

[HitMan.]

ahhh,
yes thank you Mr. CptObvious 
Kole and his team do a great job at this as they have help me out many times. Welcome boys Can't wait to kick this off.....

[CptObvious]

We can't wait to get shot to shit. 

We are not afraid to check people in the midst of heavy firing. So don't worry about pansy-ass people making calls from 10yrds away. If I see any of my guys doing that I would personally chew them out.