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How do you feel about the No-Bright Jersey Color as one of the rules?

No Bright Jerseys
5 (22.7%)
Use Jerseys If Thats Your Team Color
1 (4.5%)
Use Only BDU's (because its a tactical format game)
8 (36.4%)
Use Any - Jerseys or BDU's As A Team Uniform
6 (27.3%)
Doesn't Matter
2 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: Dec 24, 2006, 06:22:24 PM

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« Reply #15 on: Dec 06, 2006, 10:33:01 AM »
then thats a dissadvantage that they'd have to deal with, isnt it? i mean, its not making them better than other teams, if anything its another obstical to over come, and if they win it showcases even more the height of their tactial abilities.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 06, 2006, 10:38:29 AM »
Yes, but that's not why I'm saying bright jerseys shouldn't be allowed.  Well, I did, but that's not the main reason.  The main reason why I don't think they should be allowed is that it wouldn't seperate this event from scenario ball.  This would just be a more organized scenario game if we don't change certain things.  The event needs to seem more organized and more like a tactical sport with people who have uniforms that are tactical in design.  Not flashy.

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« Reply #17 on: Dec 06, 2006, 01:18:37 PM »
The answer to this question ( it is a good question by the way) is a deep one.. A solid answer will require premeditated thought by whom ever is the "core" or "Committee" behind the growth and direction of this Leauge.

If the thought is to have a "puritan" mil-sim leauge... The answer is probally , NO - to Jerseys and Alt. Scenario based attire... Meaning that a higher level of all around teams and persons oriented for Mil-Sim need apply.

If the answer is Sure anyone can wear anything and play anyway ... well then you can kiss what most of us Oregon Tactical Combat Division are thinking is the future of the N.J. based Leauge is about...

I dont think Snake Eyes or others want to alienate anyone person or team... but the principle concept and goals for now and the future must be considered to answer this question by the "committee" or "powers that be" .... It will help shape and mold the overall picture... Maybe they already have the answer to this but want to observe this outcome!

Either way I enjoy shooting people... It would be cooler if I were shooting at like minded, serious Mil-Sim Players for my pipe dream for this leauge....  Maybe it dosnt matter much... cause it will be a year or two before this format comes to venue at a field in Oregon...



« Last Edit: Dec 06, 2006, 01:21:33 PM by Tone »
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« Reply #18 on: Dec 06, 2006, 01:48:58 PM »
Bravo Tone!  Couldn't have said it better myself.  ^^

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« Reply #19 on: Dec 06, 2006, 04:13:22 PM »
Either way I enjoy shooting people... It would be cooler if I were shooting at like minded, serious Mil-Sim Players for my pipe dream for this leauge....  Maybe it dosnt matter much... cause it will be a year or two before this format comes to venue at a field in Oregon...

i really dont want to come across as some jerk thats just here to make troube, before i go on. i like where this group is going, and the idea behind it. even if the jersey thing isnt changed when you guys come near us we'll more than likely come play if we have the time and cash, haha. i only where my "uniform" (if you can call a suit a uniform) at scenarios and places where we see other teams, everyone on the mob still has thier BDU's.

but you cant uniformly say that just because people dont want to or cannot wear them for these games that they're not serious minded about milsim and tactical play. the teams and players im talking about arent speedballers that just decided to play woods for a kick, they're serious guys (and girls) who know what they're doing, and would be contending for the top of the league.

i guess part of the reason im struggling with this is that i see it turning into an almost airsoft like atmosphere, where people who have different stuff are looked down on. i've played a couple games with my cousin who's really into it, and if someone doesnt have strait up BDU's or digi camo they're laughed at. i've always seen paintball, especially the more milsim side of paintball to be more accepting of other people, and i dont want to see it swing the other way.

my thoughts are that uniforms should be required for teams. obviously army units are going to all look the same in a unit. but after that, i think it should be up to that individual team as to what they are going to wear.
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« Reply #20 on: Dec 07, 2006, 07:03:45 AM »
Woodwalker, I think what Tone is trying to say is that he wants this league to give the feeling of a military training program.  He wants it to look, feel and smell like one.  When he steps on the field, he wants to see the hostiles in BDU's of some type which will make it seem more real to him.  If he steps onto the field and they're wearing speedball outfits, that would detract from that realism feeling and just make it seem like scenario on a smaller but more organized scale.

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« Reply #21 on: Dec 08, 2006, 11:32:48 PM »
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i really dont want to come across as some jerk thats just here to make troube, before i go on.

No prob... Speak your mind in the format of input and not insult all will hear what you have to say...

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« Reply #22 on: Dec 10, 2006, 02:04:22 PM »
My whole things with the jersey's are that as long as the team look a like, it should be fine. Because the problem that I can see arising with not having teams where what they want is that there will br gray area on what is "bright". I just think that we should allow teams to wear what they want to wear. but hey, thats just my opinion, i could be wrong.

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« Reply #23 on: Dec 10, 2006, 10:19:14 PM »
This is definitely a tough decision.

It's understandable how you'd want to keep the game's style true to it's mil-sim roots. However, if you do enforce a strict dress code you'll lose a lot of talented teams from playing simply because of the obligations they have with their sponsors.

Some of the best teams out there run around with bright colored jerseys, but in no way represent speedball. I don't think we should be associating speedball gear with the speedball atmosphere. Personally, I'm a hardcore woods/scenarioballer and I wear some gear that's meant for speedball. It's not to look pretty, it's not to look flashy, it's for one reason only: practicality.

To me, a major aspect of being tactical is to utilize your available resources to give you an advantage over your opponent. I'd trade visibility with gear that's meant to sustain hardcore paintball playing anyday. I'd take padding, venting, and durability over a pair of BDU's that offer me nothing more than camouflage that's rarely effective enough to justify its use. And any good player knows, visibility is all about positioning and environmental awareness, not what color jersey you have on. And if most of the action is going to be taking place in a close-quarters environment, then the color of your jersey is going to have very little effect on the outcome.

Like I said, it's a very tough decision. By allowing these teams to play with their jersies, you may lose a little bit in the looks department, but in my opinion, the level of added competition that they would bring to the tournament makes up for this sacrifice.

Personally, I would allow team jerseys, but only as long as the team matches uniformly.

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« Reply #24 on: Dec 13, 2006, 07:22:21 AM »
My take on this is it's suppose to be tactical. That means it can follow along the lines of military and/or SWAT. I don't care one way or the other about what people wear. My suggestion for those who have a problem with street clothes or bright jerseys is to think of the guys wearing them as a gang/drug dealers/whatever. If you are thinking along military lines, then wars aren't exactly like they use to be. The enemy is more often than not blended into the local population. They aren't wearing BDUs or uniforms of any kind. Like I said, I don't care one way or the other. I'm just offering suggestions to maybe help people get over the idea of wearing non-milatary gear.

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« Reply #25 on: Dec 14, 2006, 10:15:10 AM »
Just my opinion but if you want this league to become what you have in mind, which is a realistic, military styled format, then you must have rules that are followed, same as in the military. Not everyone will like it. If a certain player doesn't like the rules, then don't join the league. Like others said, there are all types of leagues for all types of playing styles. Lets keep this pure. I know myself and many others have been waiting for this for a long time. I like the way the the airsofters conduct there big operations but I love paintball and have a lot invested. Players liking different styles of play need to invest in the different styles of uniforms. I do know the team issue may be a problem for some but hopefully sponsers would see an oppurtunity here to expand there coverage into different areas. Maybe they would be willing to put there names on BDUs simular to what RAP4 does with there patches. Just a thought.

Anyway, good luck. Looking forward to get this thing off the ground. Thank you Hitman007 for stepping up. This is going to take a lot of work!

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« Reply #26 on: Dec 14, 2006, 06:34:40 PM »
Anyway, good luck. Looking forward to get this thing off the ground. Thank you Hitman007 for stepping up. This is going to take a lot of work!

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« Reply #27 on: Jan 18, 2007, 11:00:14 PM »
This is definitely a tough decision.

It's understandable how you'd want to keep the game's style true to it's mil-sim roots. However, if you do enforce a strict dress code you'll lose a lot of talented teams from playing simply because of the obligations they have with their sponsors.

Some of the best teams out there run around with bright colored jerseys, but in no way represent speedball. I don't think we should be associating speedball gear with the speedball atmosphere. Personally, I'm a hardcore woods/scenarioballer and I wear some gear that's meant for speedball. It's not to look pretty, it's not to look flashy, it's for one reason only: practicality.

To me, a major aspect of being tactical is to utilize your available resources to give you an advantage over your opponent. I'd trade visibility with gear that's meant to sustain hardcore paintball playing anyday. I'd take padding, venting, and durability over a pair of BDU's that offer me nothing more than camouflage that's rarely effective enough to justify its use. And any good player knows, visibility is all about positioning and environmental awareness, not what color jersey you have on. And if most of the action is going to be taking place in a close-quarters environment, then the color of your jersey is going to have very little effect on the outcome.

Like I said, it's a very tough decision. By allowing these teams to play with their jersies, you may lose a little bit in the looks department, but in my opinion, the level of added competition that they would bring to the tournament makes up for this sacrifice.

Personally, I would allow team jerseys, but only as long as the team matches uniformly.

Well said. We are in that position. We will not be playing due to uniforms. But I wish the best to everyone playing.

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Re: JERSEYS How Do You Feel About Them
« Reply #28 on: Jan 19, 2007, 10:09:52 PM »
What if we had TWO LEVELS?
1) BDU's
2) Jersey's & BDU's

would that help out the matter? and the winner of each face off each other? just a thought. feedback?

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« Reply #29 on: Jan 20, 2007, 12:36:25 PM »
How about BDUs for pros, what ever you want for semi-pro. Pros would probably want the advantage of full BDUs anyway.